The Great Gatsby

The Great Gatsby, talked over and around

I'd like to know the meaning of "over and around" in the following excerpt from the last chapter of The Great Gatsby:

There was one thing to be done before I left, an awkward, unpleasant thing that perhaps had better have been let alone. But I wanted to leave things in order and not just trust that obliging and indifferent sea to sweep my refuse away. I saw Jordan Baker and talked over and around what had happened to us together and what had happened afterward to me, and she lay perfectly still listening in a big chair.

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I think it means simply they talked about what happened. At first glance it seemed like he wasn't getting to the point but in the end I think he is just trying to discus what happened.