what do you think? with reference to the fishing trip
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I agree.... slightly.
In the end, Mcmurphy doesn't really instill a change in anyone but Chief Bromden. In fact, he indirectly caused Bibbits death and if anything made the conditions in the hospital worse. I think thats the most depressing part of the book, not just the (well, for those who havent read it, it's something bad that happens to Mcmurphy) I think it's that his efforts were for naught.
There are many scenarios that support Mcmurphy as a christ like character. What stood out the most was the ending. Chief killed him even though he was like a best friend to him. It's just like when Jesus died. He was killed by a disciple whom he trusted.
I don't think that it is right to say that McMurfys efforts were for naught, he helped the ward, Miss Ratched changed because of McMurfys actions, he made the patients see things in a different way, do you not think? Fair enough tho I will give you the Billy one, although he did help him before he died... I duno I just think that saying he did nothing brings a sense of hopelessness, which I don't find within the book, I see a liberation and a new found sense of hope? Would you not agree? Sorry that I have gone of the whole McMurfy as Christ argument.
McMurphy is a Christ-Like figure. He takes 12 of them (12 disciples) on a fishing trip and teaches (as did Jesus) the ways of life. Not to mention he sacrificed himself in order to show everyone the light.
I do agree with many of you as far as McMurphy as a Christ-like figure. However, to those that think McMurphy was indirectly involved in Billy death, I disagree. My question to you is did you read the book or just watch the movie? They depict the scene quite different and if anyone is to be blame for Billys death. directly or indirectly, it is Nurse Ratch and his mother. McMurphy did not lead this lamb to slaugher!
I love this book so much!
McMurphy can be seen as a Christ figure because he is ultimately betrayed by those who follow him (the patients) into sacrificing himself for their good. There are several references in the text, that McMurphy is worn out and would not continue wth his fight if it were not for their resolute belif in him.
McMurphy knows his fate in advance and makes no attempt to avoid it. He is sacrificed for the freedom of the other patients.
(This is considering the lobotomy as his true death- Chief Bromden was just killing McMurphy's empty body)
Billy's death was suicide, just like judas's in the Bible. Billy (Judas) betrayed McMurphy (Christ) and then killed himself out of guilt. Billy by slitting his throat, Judas by hanging himself.
McMurphy did contribute to the patients of the ward. He gave them hope something to look for. He gave them a voice. To say that he never contributed would be a lie as there was a change in attitude. Pertaining to Billy's death, i don't agree with some ppl saying that it was through betrayal that he got his death. It was through the harsh authoritarian, dictator persona of one that tries to prevent progress for the patients of the ward. It was evident where in a therapy session one such character suggested a different kind of therapy session, rather than sitting and talking which led them nowhere. Evidently, the 'cuckoo's' nest was not to restore social or psychological functioning but to continue the process of imprisonment. For me, it was almost as if Nurse ratched was lonely and bored. She obviously had self issues; being authoritative, stern, how she dressed and potrayed herself showed that she had some issues. Now is that a disorder or what? So when the title say that one flew over the cuckoo's nest it was not a joke or over emphasis, it was to point out to the fact that infact, this was an asylum mostly run by a person who had some form of cognitive disorder.